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Re: Question on Cleric Healing Bug

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:35 am
by Shas_
Scrolled through months of chats but couldn't find a mbtl post in a reasonabld time.
I remember some ability queue mention yeah thanks for the hint.

How about Inscribe fate?

#show Bolt of Retribution
suppressmacrofailures
cast Bolt of Retribution
cast Inscribe Fate
cast Spiritual Scrunity

+Faith's Reward/ full queue

Or normal BoJ.
From how you phrased it, it sounds like it fires random Waterjets while on gcd but 'the dmg is just bad'
So what about normal BoJ, L.Bolt of Light, L.Inscribe Fate. ?

Would give free BoR on the move 24/7?
If it fires gcd effects ogcd that should be quite a thing on Dht with L.Misery Affliction.
It sounds like any ability which has a legendary option, when spammed on full queue, fires off a ghost effect which can cause the full gcd effect such as damage. ?
If so, what restricts it to cleric?
Scything Strike us the most dangerous contestor for buffing ogcd.

And jeah RS is dogwater, with Smiting on 600k default it needs all the smiting force.
Didn't get hands on anything yet.

Most interesting combinations for such ogcd action:
- Primalist Scything Strike ?
- Mage Ele. Cycle provider or Missiles itself benefitting from swings/sec- more swings=more prismatic armor and eventually cycles for free. What holds back pve ele is Lef consumption/sec and prismatic rng. Getting Elemental.Bursts like IoB would be something (not good gameplay though)
- Melee hits with Warlord aqd ?
- Shaman Icy Blow ?
- Defiler L.Misery Affliction ?
- Chanter L.I'm with you! and Battlesong ?
- L.Dusk Strike giving >1stack/combo per gcd ?
- Tactican L.Empyrean Bolt cooldown reduction ?
- Mage Neural Prod/ Missiles for ogcd Eternal stacks ?
- Inq BoJ and Faith's to keep all casts on 0

If it's really that simple as 'spamming' a legendary-able ogcd @full queue, the ones above may be busted

Re: Question on Cleric Healing Bug

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:17 pm
by Shas_
sasukekorlo wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:34 pm Yes Shas, the 0 water jet attack in warden will stack Faith's reward stacks if you spam click it while its on cooldown.
I found some time for it, seems like it's only Waterjet so far acting like this as an attack (only legendary-able Warden attack) and it also ony stacks ogcd when Waterjet was the ability used in the previous gcd.
Normal and Legendaries count as different abilities. In the past, some buged specs could run a buff as normal and legendary.
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You can buff normal Hellfire blades, set them as legendary, save your spec and use normal+legendary alongside. In all cases i tried this, it was just getting you a thing which is worse than running a normal build)
Example: If you ''spam'' ''save soultree'' in fight (blocking soultree changes becasue in combat) as let's say Shaman use Legendary Furious assault same time it cancels the ''save soultree'' and you end up with normal Furious Assault (but who would use normal FA if the legendary is available) since every soultree save resets it for a split second. This also includes temporarily reducing your max hp etc.
Defenitely unused exploit potential in reducing your max hp and instantly ''healing'' back to the new equivalent.

Fullness of Life and Pool do kind of the same. The legendary is on cooldown- but the underlying normal version is not. It gets triggered, triggers Mbtl and then gets blocked because the legendary overwrites it's use with it's properties (active cooldown). Just an order of execution that lets the normal version count for things.

Inscribe Fate etc don't behave like Waterjet however (which also stacks Dangers of the deep immediately) which is rather unfortunate and diminishes hopes for other classes to have such interactions to play around with.
Got to recreate mbtl via fullness of life and Pool of Restoration however. It indeed was the full ability queue causing it.
As you mentioned it's really not amazing and gets pretty boring after 5 seconds.
Best use imo would be to ''farm'' instant casts and Healing Breath as pvp Sentinel on the move. Though it only starts stacking once the gc d finishes- which means you have to sacrifice gcd time to get it one way or another.
Can't quite use it alongside anything. It's mbtl/ Faith's Reward OR something else. Still looking if there is something else following a similarly botched gcd interaction. A stock 61 Sentinel exclusively using L.Healing Communion in a way that you target another ally every cast (and thus spread L.Light of Redemption) is the best pve approach still - unless moving.

I was hoping for a more elegant applications for that whole ability queue thing but it really only comes down to ''afk spam the wrong abilities with the wrong settings''. (May aswell play the other classes on full ability queue (rip) for a while and see if some strange interaction sticks out)

And yes to Ma that's a whole different story.

Happy testing and thanks for sharing your experiences