The Ghar Station

"outdate"

Mind you, Karmel suddenly deleted her Defi post so here is a new one:

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Initial response, now without an original post

Hello, thanks for feedback - you make good point for min/maxing, but this is meant to be a basic version of the build for ppl who need to be able to use it quickly and have no clue about the build, or for ppl who can't heal their raids due to wrong skills using (bolt of radiance spam, no legendary miserly etc).
Most of ppl barely could play this. Not talking about some min/max and skip mandate buff. It's not about "catch in wrong version", not everyone is a hard player and not every raid is a proper raid, not even talking about any speed/records raid - this is not exist anymore, at least on EU... Most defiheals will not be able to tank azranel, not even talking about vindicator.
Maybe you should jump into some raids and see how it can look bad sometimes. I also have build with bond but can't use because ppl always want mandate buff.

Anyway if you can force ppl to learn more and be better players go ahead and try

And that was the whole point.

Fewer version that are more flexible& cover more ground are prefereable.
Bond of Pain does the most in terms of streamlining the process.
Wa, Ma, Bop & gucci


If it can tank Vidicator without shortcommings, it can survive Tarjula fire without gear.
The tarjula heal was an example on unoptimized specs getting the job done if you just grow confident with it.


It has nothing to do with forcing, just offering something well rounded that is relyable&fun.

If you wipe on a missing mandate (which gets forgotten by newer clerics anyway) it defenitely wasn't because of a missing Mandate ^^

Tldr; If you want to keep it with "can be picked up in 5 mins" (Which i support and tried to bring most builds like Liberator down to myself) why not stick to one version that does 600+, has great self susteain + relyably tanks on the fly.
Dht is the natural evolution already- easyer, stronger.
Experimental cookie cutter sub versions anywhere inbetween Mandate&Frooty can be left to people& their demand.


Mentioned version above can be your default version without needing any other.

-> What's up with Mandate's +1 and now even 9 Jus making it self+4 ticks?

> Defi heals in chunks and with rarely more than a couple people truly being in danger, it overheals alot. Neglecting the Salvation at yourself, 4 ticks from x4 MA at ca. 100k average is 1.6m 2x/3sec= 1.06m / sec (+self)

1) Salvation is a seeker- it will prioritize the most dangered member (tanks, low hp, attacked)
2) In case shit hits the fan and it needs a Defi to carry heals, those encounter all have off-targets to also popp Misery on- and tick heals off from.

- Mandate only produces extra overheal but does rather little to effectively keep people allive. It is not worthless but no match for the alternative unlocks available.

With a need for 12 in Jus gone, Defi suddenly opens up to alot of tools to quite literaly combine the best of all subversions into one.
As mentioned, any subversion from there - like frooty or max hps defi is for sweaty setups.

Some things simply only *look good* but even for casual specs- or maybe especially for those- you can play moneyball on what's effectively brought to the table.

Credits to Sepe (OP), Mastiff (Defitank pioneer) and Hungry (General finetuning)



//just saw you removed your op..
Did not mean to bulldoze your efforts here by any means.
Some people liked to browse the comments on forums so a decent place to put ghetto concepts without forcing a meta.

General: Asking for a defi means asking for Oracle buffs, aoe cleanse (marrow harvest 5% if no inquisitor present) and support healing.
All other details are custom!